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Works & Emergency
Services
"SWM-MEP"
Stakeholder Meeting
Metro Hall, Room 314
March 1, 1999
Draft
Meeting Notes/Issues List
Attendance:
| R. A. McCaig |
Greenlane Environmetal
Group |
|
Rob T. Webb
|
Earthwater Waste
System |
|
Joan H. Todd
|
Todd Enterprises |
|
Mike Canal
|
Capital Environmental |
|
Faruk Fattah
|
Fatro Holdings |
|
Shelley Petrie
|
TEA |
|
Debbie Kempert
|
RCN |
|
S. Poulos
|
Co-Ex |
|
Karen Buck
|
Citizens for a Safe
Environment |
|
Rhonda Hustler
|
WWLC |
|
Ray Valitis
Richard Gilbert
|
Ministry of Agriculture,
Food and Rural Affairs |
|
John Todd
|
Todd Enterprises |
|
John Bray
|
Ontario Waste Management
Association |
|
Michael Pratt
|
Proctor & Redfern |
|
Dave Merriman
|
MacViro |
|
Lawson Oates
|
City - Works |
|
Pat Scanga
|
City - Works |
|
Richard Butts
|
City - Works |
|
Tracey Ehl Harrison
|
City - Works |
|
Shane Inverary
|
City - Works |
|
Mae Lee
|
City - Works |
Meeting Format
Presentations were given outlining
the some additional issues that the City project team was seeking
feedback on before proceeding with the project. These issues included
the introduction of third party haulers for disposal contracts,
as well as muncicipal participation on the hauling component. There
were also presentations regarding tonnage quantities and contract
timeframes, the city as a preferred customer and/or revenue sharing
opportunities, and contracting for IC&I waste only.
After the presentations, a question
and answer session took place where a number of concerns were raised
by stakeholders. It should be noted that identical information was
distributed (presentation overheads, summary notes from past consultations)
at this meeting and the one which took place on February 25, 1999.
Questions/Concerns/Issues
Raised
The issues
raised have been categorized in order to facilitate responses.
Waste
Diversion
- How much
money has been invested into the Dufferin Material Recovery Facility
(MRF) pilot? What percentage of waste will go to landfill after
being processed at the MRF?
- If the waste diversion rate is higher
than expected, will there be enough methane gas to run the power
plant at the landfill?
- The effort to maximize diversion
over the planning period was applauded.
- Many questions were asked regarding
the experience of the Guelph wet/dry facility.
- Does the City have the resources
to support the 75% waste diversion rate?
- All waste, including apartment waste,
should be sorted in the MRF before going to disposal.
- Will this process require that participating
GTA regions meet Toronto diversion targets?
- Will the volume of contracted waste
change over the 20 years span with the improvement of the waste
diversion program?
- Does the City have the same enthusiasm
in finding MRF plants as finding landfill options?
- Is the City equally interested in
MRF private/public revenue sharing partnerships?
- What is the cost per tonne to process
at MRF?
- Does the bidding process for disposal
companies include the diversion component?
- The disposal price the City receives,
the site location, and the bidding process for disposal effectively
influence province-wide standards for disposal and diversion.
If diversion rates are low, a ripple effect will affect the rest
of Ontario.
- The fixed quantities over 20 years
should only consider residue left after 80% diversion.
- The City shouldnt consider disposal
before certain diversion rates are in place. The reports submitted
to the Works & Utilities Committee on Mar 24, 1999 should
include a diversion plan, time-line, target and budget; and along
with other reports.
- The fixed quantity in the contract
will undermine diversion.
- Can materials not currently diverted
be diverted using new technologies?
- Toronto should look at a two-stream
waste system because it would be easier and therefore more residents
would participate.
- Research and development should
be a part of Torontos waste diversion planning.
Haulage
- How does
the City compare/handle bidders on environmental grounds? How
will this work if haulage and disposal are de-linked?
- Will there be a full environmental
analysis on haulage? This needs to be clearly explained.
- There could be a large price difference
between haul technologies.
- How heavily will price be factored
in if haulage and disposal are de-linked?
- Will there be a separate RFP for
disposal and haulage?
- Some participants felt that de-linking
haulage and disposal was a positive step in this process.
- When will the proposal for haul
be called?
Quantities
and Timeframes
- Adding
a 10 year & 15 year tables would give more opportunities to
bidders.
- Locking in to long term contracts
could eliminate savings which could otherwise be benefit to the
City.
- A long term 20-year contract would
give the City a better price in the long run.
- Table 3.4 caps waste diversion.
Preferred
Customer
- Wont
the "preferred customer" condition drive costs up? Is
the City willing to share in the losses if prices do rise?
- Toronto as a preferred customer
will set provincial price standards and freeze prices for others.
- Economic and environmental factors
should be included in the preferred customer equation.
- there is a conflict between tonnage
ranges and the preferred customer clause. If the City doesnt
supply the highest tonnage in a range to that facility, the operator
is not allowed to sell surplus space for profit.
Contracting
for ICI Waste only
- If IC&I
contractors are allowed to take unsorted loads to transfer stations,
the City will miss much of the recycling materials that can generate
revenue. This waste should go through a MRF first.
- How practical is it for the City
to contract for separate ICI flow?
- Is IC&I waste still IC&I
waste once it goes through the City transfer station?
- IC&I waste should not be accepted
at the transfer stations, as the City will be competing directly
with operators who currently run recycling plants.
General
Comments
- Stakeholders
should be notified when staff reports regarding this process are
available prior to Committee and Council meetings.
- Reports need to clearly show how
feedback during consultation efforts influenced this process.
- How does this project link with
the work of the Environmental Task Force?
- What effect will the Memorandum
of Understanding between GTA municipalities have on this process?
When?
- How will amalgamation affect the
demographics of future waste?
- Are the regions open to public-private
partnership options?
- Has Toronto looked for all certified
landfill capacity across Ontario? It was felt that smaller facilities
would be more acceptable.
- How does the short listing process
work? What factors are considered in selecting a proponent? This
process should consider prosecutions/non-compliance over the past
5 years.
- There are a number of sites being
developed in Ontario solely based on a chance at taking Torontos
waste. The reality is that Toronto is subsidizing waste prices
and setting provincial policy/standards.

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